Harvest Makes Major Announcement at Rolling Meadows Campus

This evening, at the Rolling Meadows Saturday night service, an Elder by the name of Dan George rose to speak to those in attendance.  Speaking nervously, he stated that James MacDonald would be stepping back from all leadership activity, which is nothing new by way of admission.  However, during his “sabbatical,” George now assured the congregation that MacDonald would not be preaching at any campus (presumably including the Naples campus) during this time.  George also said that there would be a restructuring of elders and leadership, citing several several failings which included: the lawsuit and the ongoing situation in Naples.

This is an astonishing admission from an Elder Board that theoretically gave MacDonald the right to publicly defend the lawsuit in a national magazine.  It is an astonishing admission from an Elder that just three days ago put James MacDonald on an ill-defined “indefinite sabbatical,” then fired Pastor John Seacrest, the founding pastor, for questioning the validity of the decision to allow MacDonald to preach in Florida; and suffered through the public humiliation of a local radio celebrity calling upon their pastor to “man up” and return back to Chicago to “talk to” his congregation.

It will be interesting to see if MacDonald and Harvest are now willing to grant Pastor Jon Seacrest the right to pastor his own congregation, separate and apart from any involvement or connection with Harvest Bible Chapel.

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94 thoughts on “Harvest Makes Major Announcement at Rolling Meadows Campus

  1. I thought Landon’s sermon was so put-on. It was such a humble brag. Like oh look at me. I encourage people to come in even when they don’t want to and now HES coming in. He didn’t want to go to church that day but he did anyway. And that’s ALL he said. Such fake humility. Humble yourself for real. You know sometimes it’s ok to deliver a sermon NOT in the fashion of a motivational speaker.

    1. Maybe this is a rerun? Also I think he said he’s going just digital instead of broadcast. Can’t reember

  2. Can anyone say who in fact was preaching at Harvest Naples this past weekend?

    1. Debra Szemplinski January 21, 2019 — 12:02 pm

      I was there. Doucette opened (asst. pastor) Rick Donald spoke.

      1. Another Ex-harvest memeber (RM) January 21, 2019 — 12:39 pm

        Did the say anything about Secrest or MacDonald?

  3. The mere fact that Landon was preaching this weekend is a fact and hard truth that nothing will ever change!! The elders that are currently there are absolutely part of the problem and culture of fear that has become known as the church HBC. As long as you have these Elders on repeating a message that they made up in a room for 4 hours so that it might seem as “humble” then you know it’s not sincere. It was very well thought through for the benefit of James, his family, Rick, his family and also all the elders. Even they are power hungry as we are witnessing because not one has stepped down yet!!! You want change you can believe in start with yourselves elders. Step down now and maybe then we will start to believe you. Get rid of anything that was known as James’ church and then we will start to believe you. You were in agreement for the lawsuit, you were in agreement for NDA’s, you were in agreement for the Naples coup, you were in agreement with everything that has brought us to this point. You are ALL no longer fit to be elders. DONE!!

    1. True words Tony! The statement should have read, we’ve lost your trust and our ability to lead. We’re bringing in an outside leader who will guide us through an entirely new leadership team and plan. We expect to have this accomplished within 90 days. We will give you weekly updates on our progress. The first thing the new leaders will have is all of our currently serving Elders and XLT will be our resignations, they will be able to determine who and what stays as we go forward.

  4. I understand the difficulty for long term members of any organization to just “walk away”. Anyone serious about their church invests a lot in relationships there. However, as James takes his sabbatical, perhaps Harvest Chicago members should take Sabbaticals of their own. You know- three months to receive spiritual input from other sources: Worship at home with your family some Sundays. Other Sundays attend other churches with friends or family. Go online, find a house church and worship with them one Sunday. After three months ask that Lord, “What should we do now?” He is the Lord – He will lead you well.

    1. Really placid advice. Hasn’t God already given all the advice we need to deal with this wolf and his minions?
      Why are we always looking for God to tell us what to do when He already Has?
      We need to trust and obey the word of God.
      He gave us all the same remedies to deal with these hypocrites.

      1. Hard words are appropriate for McDonald and his current elders. Kind, placid, loving words are appropriate for wounded HBC members who are just waking up to the realities of their church and berating themselves. HBC has apparently created a lot of wounded as evidenced by testimonies on this site, Julie Roy’s blog and other sites dedicated to spiritual abuse. Let’s speak loving words to those hurting from the spiritual abuse they have suffered so that the lame may not be disabled but rather healed. (Hebrews 12:13)

        1. Wisely and well put

        2. Debra Szemplinski January 21, 2019 — 12:07 pm

          I hope you erre referring to those blogs ‘exposing’ spiritual abuse, not participating in it.

    2. I left Harvest years ago when James used Easter to raise money instead of preaching the gospel of Christ’s resurrection. So far my husband and I have not found a church. We tried the Harvest satellite church in DeKalb a couple of times but they do not even welcome newcomers unless you are somebody. The mainline churches around here have all gone to the left. We live in a rural area so there is nothing but maybe to find soething online.

      1. Dianne,
        We left in 2017 and are now attending Fox Valley Evangelical Free Church in West Dundee. It is a very good church with 5 pastors who are very intentional and they preach the gospel with clarity and accuracy. Worship is Spirit filled and Christ centered. The church is located on Huntley Road just west of Randall. Hopefully that isn’t too far from you.

      2. The Least Of These January 21, 2019 — 10:07 pm

        Have you checked out Village Bible Church? There are a couple locations, all near enough to DeKalb.

    3. If nothing else stop giving. That is one thing that will get their attention and probably what they really worship: money.

  5. A Sadden Brother January 20, 2019 — 1:52 pm

    The HBC debacle has far exceeded the level of church scandal. This entire matter should sadden all believers and followers of Christ. JMac often said “Choose to sin choose to suffer”. Well, HBC is certainly felling the effects of ‘sin’ now. As still a member of HBC I, and my church family, covet your prayers during this season of uncertainly. Pray for God to lead and guide us through these turbulent times.

    With that said I stand in agreement with several of the statement comments:

    * John Secrest, if he was indeed fired, should be immediately reinstated as the Naples pastor and be allowed self governance free of HBC.
    * James should be required to face the church he founded, now entangled in this mess, and made to confess his sinful pattern and come clean with whatever answers he would face.
    * All (ALL) found complicit in allowing this mess to fester and reach the level it has, either knowingly, willingly or otherwise, should be fired/expelled from the church. This includes all elders, all campus pastors, all leaders, regardless and campus location, who knew of the possible harm James sinful pattern would have on the church and choose to stay silent. Their ineptitude and ineffectiveness disqualifies them of any ministry position.

    1. Praying for all of you.

    2. The Least Of These January 21, 2019 — 10:19 pm

      Didn’t worship leaders (name kept private for his family’s sake) get paraded across the stage and publicly rebuked for marital indiscressions a long while back? Then was brought back to the church after a long period of restoration and reconciliation? JM was the one who paraded him. Seems fitting to his is what should happen with JM, no? I’m not saying that and feather him. More like if it’s ok for you to do to one if your leaders, you should be able to experience the same. A drill instructor is not allowed to ask a booter to do something they themselves can’t handle. Same should be true in this case as well. And the rest of the leadership as well. Each walk across the stage, confess the sins/nature of sins, and apologize, and seek forgiveness. At every campus, every service, until all havevcompleted the task. And one by one, as they have humbled themselves before their flock, they should publucaly resign. Give everyone an open invite for when this will happen at their church. And as each church campus has received this humbling, the church closes for a brief respite to give everyone a chance to grieve and pray. The doors for all campuses may then reopen once new leadership and staff are on board. And rather than a big grand reopening celebration, hold a somber vigil for all who have left from JM all the way down to non-member, praying for all who have been hurt or who have hurt God’s Bride. Then start anew, with a heartfelt movement back to Jesus, thanking Him for bringing the church through this sharpening, putting the past behind, looking forward to His glorious return!

  6. Did HBC make similar announcements at the Sunday 9am and 11am services?

    1. The exact same mumbo jumbo. And slapped everyone in the face by letting the sons take the pulpit. The Elders are also the problem!!

  7. Only way to start cleaning this place out is to ‘indefinitely’ suspend everyone’s pay. Cut the power cord that jimmy and ricky have over paid members. After all they were members 1st. Right.
    It seems like time is moving backwards there. jimmy has gone from someone we all loved and respected. even in the small things like appearance and interests. I’m sure many, many have thought, why is this guy always dressing like a biker, riding his big hog, even to church services, continuing to force all to look at his obnoxious unkempt goatee, gambling, etc Yes he even makes a goatee look bad and it’s not..

    I’ll say it: he looks the part of the sins he is continuing to commit.
    As far as I’m concerned he’s 2 horns short of sitting for a portrait of……… (not Jesus).

    In case you think I’m being unreasonable…we are told we are ‘ambassadors of Christ.’ He doesn’t even know how to look presentable anymore.
    He looks more and more like a rebellious teenager.
    Should be a special collection to buy him a tattoo shop and send him on his way! He can have Sunday specials on military stripes….. each arm for 10% of your income.

    1. “The CASH COW had a body like the bodies of the great cows of Egypt, and a face like the face of Robert Tilton, without the horns…”

      Steve Taylor’s “Cash Cow”

    2. I can’t see how focusing on appearance has anything to do with the body of Christ and the heartbreak going on right now. There are so many people who serve with all their heart at Harvest and they do it to lift high the name of Jesus Christ who at some point saved them from being lost and blinded to God’s truth.

      Please realize when you tear this man down with petty things as his clothing and facial hair that a watching world who needs truth and to hear the gospel is peeking in.

      Stewarding hard earned money tithed faithfully matters. Being loving and kind and patient matters. Being honest and humble and having no duplicity matters. The package doesn’t. Unless you mistakenly worshipped a man who was cool and had a look you liked instead of worshipping the one true God who gives rest to the weary and new life to dry bones. Many love and are praying for James, who has been gifted in many ways and is very flawed, as we are. It can’t be swept under the rug. God will have his way with him and be glorified through it.

      Please check your own heart as you type. We will answer for ever careless word.

      God bless and protect you.

      1. Actually when a pastor creates his own logo and gets it tattooed to his arm and has many from his staff do the same….yes the packaging matters at that point. It was ALL about cool pastor James and NOt about Christ. The logo glorified himself, not Christ. So, yes Pasquale is correct to challenge that packaging.

        Words don’t always ha e to be soft and delicate. In fact read the New Testament, Jesus tells it how it is. Don’t fall for this day and age media soft packaging. Call out a wolf in sheep’s clothing or in this instance, hogs (Harley).

        Shut down that church and put your faith in God, not some self indulged elders, jimmy and sons production.

        God is good!

      2. I believe that there are honest men of God left. But not theses men James, his family, Rick his family and all the elders

      3. The Least Of These January 21, 2019 — 10:30 pm

        When he went from wearing suits and dressing respectably to dressing like a biker, that comes off as a major change in personality. It comes off as a mid-life crises. What changed in him at that moment to make him completely rebrand himself? And does everyone realize he asks his staff (all of them) to carry this similar hip/cool/fashionable persona? Yes, he does. First hand experience with that. Why? So he can reach a different crowd? What happened to “come as you are” and meet people where they are at”? If I were a bum on the street. I would be intimidated by all those types of people. I would walk out feeling uncomfortable in my skin. What happened to entertaining angels? Helping the least of these? It’s all fake. It’s all PR. Forcwhat purpose? To look good on camera? To serve his needs? To make him feel cool? Remember the video of him riding his Harley in the lobby of RM? I do. At first I thought, it’s his church., he can do what he wants, right? Then I’m like who’s church is it??? That’s so far beyond disrespectful to God and the church/congregation. When and why did this change occur? What drove it? Did he seal the deal with the serpent himself. I mean seriously!

        Image does matter, as does the package, becausexwhen you make a complete 180 in who you are (for the worse), there’s a very bad reason for it.

        1. Now we are beginning to see CLEARLY.

  8. Does anyone know how the John Secrest firing went down? Was James MacDonald involved?

    1. The elder board wasn’t involved, I know that. My guess is it came from the executive board and James.

    2. The Least Of These January 20, 2019 — 11:37 am

      Yes… the artical is on how it happened is in this site as well as all over social media. He wrote a letter to HBC asking to have his church back because he wasn’t aware of this situation with James. So James and elder board XLT fired him.

  9. What will be interesting is how many attend this weeken at HBC and Naples and how much the contributions drop off. IMO the only thing that will get the leadership’s attention is a drop in giving.

    1. Debra Szemplinski January 20, 2019 — 6:52 am

      My family and I have flown into Fort Meyers and will be headed to Pastor Secrest‘s church this am, handing out Julie Roys’ articles regarding the Harvest Naples debacle. I pray there will be others that will join in protest at Naples church this morning. Our goal? Reinstate Sastor Secrest !!

      1. Awesome! Hopefully they won’t have armed guards in the parking lot. Praying the church in Naples is not duped.

        1. They weren’t armed (at least not that we know of) but they were there…

        2. Debra Szemplinski January 20, 2019 — 1:53 pm

          Lol- well I was rudely confronted by two men & told to leave the premises. The worst part is – given the media attention this situation is getting, how did they know if I was a Christian or not? The bullyish behavior began from moment one. It could’ve been an opp. to show a concerned person that Christians operate differently than the world. But that wasn’t the case. Name of one man and photos can be found per Julie Roys.

        3. Still recovering January 20, 2019 — 2:21 pm

          Hey Debra, sorry that happened to you. I guess that confirms that James is still in charge and that Dan George and the elders are still spineless cowards. You are welcome at Willow.

      2. Wow that’s awesome Debra! If I’d have seen your post I would have driven down (I’m 2 hrs away) and attend with you.

  10. Looking elsewhere January 20, 2019 — 4:58 am

    For those of you that have moved on, can you suggest a bible church in the Schaumburg/Hoffman/Roselle area with a safe junior high and high school ministry?

    1. The Orchard is a wonderful group of churches. We came to the Barrington campus when we left Harvest 6 years ago. We attended HBC RM for 16.5 years. Never regretted leaving HBC.

      1. Ex-Member 1999 -2012 January 20, 2019 — 7:42 am

        I agree. We attend the Arlington Heights Orchard Church. What a breath of fresh Air Pastor Collin Smith is. We celebrate Christmas and Easter with biblically based services. You do not need ear plugs because the band is so loud. They are also located in Barrington and have a Saturday service.

        1. You struck a chord with me on the earplugs. Though I don’t hate contemporary music, I no longer accept invitations to attend any church with that type music. Despite sitting as far away as possible from the speakers I’ve had to walk out too many times due to harmful music volumes.

    2. If I could recommend The Village Church of Barrington. You will find it a safe environment for your whole family. We left Harvest over ten years ago and found the spiritual healing we needed at Village.

    3. Hope-after-Harvest January 20, 2019 — 10:25 am

      Willow is making the kind of changes that God’s kingdom needs. Great things are starting to happen there. God cleaned house at the leadership level and many changes are taking place back towards humble godliness. Great youth programs, best around.

    4. The Least Of These January 20, 2019 — 11:43 am

      Village Bible Church and City of Joy are a couple other options. We love VBC, but will also be checking out RT’s teaching at CoJ.

    5. Avoid The Bridge Community Church in Des Plaines and Mount Prospect/Randhurst. Same thing going on there. Since 2007, hundreds have left after experiencing exact same treatment. Another father/son pastor duo, elders are powerless yes-men. Anyone who questions or criticizes or even merely suggests the gospel is shared more often is shunned and forced out.

  11. Men of HBC MAN UP! Why would you let your wife and children remain under the authority of men who lie and manipulate fellow Christians for their own personal gain. The Mac Donalds, Rick Donald and the rest of the gang have damaged so many people all in the name of the Almighty. Stand up and walk out defend your families. ACT LIKE MEN!!!

    1. Hopefully women will act like women, make their voices heard, and vote with their feet regardless of their husbands’ opinion. Hopefully men of Harvest are not so chauvenistic that they alone decide where their family will worship. Women, your husbands cannot force you to attend this dysfunctional church. Don’t be fooled into thinking you have to set foot in HBC ever again.

      By the way, I find the call to Act Like Men to be cheesy, manipulative, and one step above “boys will be boys”. And the fact that the call is coming from a loud-mouthed bully makes it all the worse.

      1. Try this one on for size…..
        act like a biblical man and FOLLOW JESUS!

        1. The Least Of These January 20, 2019 — 11:48 am

          I think he was just using James on-going study of how men are supposed to behave-even if James rules don’t apply to himself. It may have come off wrong, but his heart sounds like it was in the right place. Grace and mercy…

      2. Thank you! Agreed. All the “Act Like men” bs is tiring. It was the simplistic, stereotypically dumb version of chest- beating, I-have-the-power, manhood that got this whole mess started. So if that’s what you consider “acting like a man”, you may want to rethink your approach.
        No one should ever stay in a place that they feel uncomfortable, morally conflicted, or like a spiritual punching bag. And if you’re asking that of someone, you have some serious soul searching to do.

        1. The Least Of These January 20, 2019 — 11:47 am

          I think he was just using James on-going study of how men are supposed to behave-even if James rules don’t apply to himself. It may have come off wrong, but his heart sounds like it was in the right place. Grace and mercy…

  12. To truly get past this chapter, Christians are going to come face to face with the reality that JMac and his adherents are not the exception, but the rule. Preying on those that seek divinity outside of themselvesachine known as The Church.

    When J/Mac reemerges, there will be a multitude of supporters on standby waiting to cast their resources at a man who Is and always has been a fraud, just like Bakers and Swagerts before him.

    1. former HCA employee January 20, 2019 — 10:08 am

      absolutely!!!

  13. There isn’t even an iota of this situation that isn’t odious. It’s nothing short of cultist anymore, and I can’t even imagine how long it’s been since a discussion among these elders included calling in the Holy Spirit. They seem to be searching Scripture only to find verses sometimes out of context to attach to the various and sundry public postings.

    It’s been sifted down to damage control, and in their blindness they can’t even see the further damage they’re doing with each incredibly bad decision.

    Now they’ve made it clear that you’re either with them, or your fired AND will be lied about AND will be humiliated.

    Wow. As much as I’m convinced that the Internet is Satan’s last stand before Christ’s return, I’m so glad that God has proven yet again that ALL things work together for His good ….. and I can’t even imagine what Harvest would be doing if God-fearing men and women had no means to publicly lay bare this dispicable behavior.

    1. Scary thing about James is he does mention the Holy Spirit and a lot of the harvest culters do but they have no idea who the Holy Spirit is! To make matters worse they attribute things to Him that aren’t true. I think that’s is why God is coming down on that church! It’s spirtually very twisted and even “converts” are about being nothing but a measuring success to fleece sheep!!! It’s really really bad!!

      1. Christiana Emmert January 20, 2019 — 12:36 am

        Ann-
        I have two requests for you:
        First and most importantly, please post your testimony, including who you were before you met Jesus Christ, how you met Jesus,and how He has changed you for the better since He came into your life.
        And second,please stop referring to me and all those who currently continue to attend Harvest as ‘harvest culters’.
        Thank you.

        1. Thank you Ann for the response. We also attend the church and by all means we are not a cult and no my husband is not forcing me to attend either. It’s a shame at what is being posted here, all churches and pastors have issues and a big responsibility on their shoulder. How about grace and mercy and prayers for our church? I understand that there is hurt here but let’s not insult fellow Christians who don’t attend your church.

        2. OMG – the level of hurt and treachery and deceit is the worst I have ever seen anywhere. I prey about Harvest all the time. I pray that God will destroy it and will muzzle its leaders. Lives, marriages, repiutations and careers have been destroyed so that James and family could live in thier lavish mansion and feel like rulers. What is happening at Harvest is sickening and disgusting.

        3. Sorry response was for Christina

        4. Christiana,

          Please stop commenting on all the blogs and posts asking everyone to share their testimony. I agree no one should be calling names, that is wrong. But I have seen you comment on Julie Roy’s blog and other TED posts asking people to share their testimony and or being frustrated and incredulous that various people’s dont have their testimony posted somewhere that you can easily find. It is for God to know the hearts of men. It’s not a credential.

        5. Let is please never forget the lawsuit. How scripture was twisted. And how evidence from the discovery was going to be public everything about the lawsuit came to a halt. You must know and realize that when sin is revealed it is God sifting you. Is that not what has happened here? Did not the Lord reveal all these horrible crimes against the souls of His children? How long must they cry to the Lord for help and when it comes the oppressor acts like the victim. SHAME on the lot of them. Elders and all. There are pastors who care for the flock and there are wolves who care for the money and fame. That is why you will not see a change in anything other than the ink on paper telling you everything will be fine. SHAME

      2. Right on Ann. Stand strong and don’t let these people bully you. Keep the faith!

  14. Stop talking trash…. and start acting like a forgiving Christian.

    1. Harvest Cult follower alert!

      1. Ann- there is much more to Harvest than James McDonald and the elders. Do you personally know, have broken bead with and have relationships with any people who attend this church?

  15. carolineafischer January 19, 2019 — 9:55 pm

    Here’s my question: after chopping off the head, are we all supposed to magically be able to trust people like Rick and Luke and Jeff and Brit on down the line? These men are complicit, just as terrible at upholding the biblical model of shepherding. They may even be worse than James, because they’re cowards when it comes to watching something that has been wrong for YEARS… they haven’t only stood by, but they have DEFENDED indefensible actions by the leadership of HBC. For all James’ laundry list, there is a matching one for every “franchise player” at Harvest.

    1. The Least Of These January 19, 2019 — 10:42 pm

      Amen

    2. They are worse than James! Watching that Trie on the 30 year celebration video when they were all sitting on the panel… that guy is a disgusting liar!!! Attributing deceitful manipulative acts as Gods answering their prayers… horrible I’ve never seen people come so close to lieing to the Holy Spirit as Ananinais and Saphhra ( probably spelling their names wrong) one of the elders last name at Naples is Ananias, that’s a bit odd!!

    3. And Amen!

  16. Current Employee January 19, 2019 — 9:52 pm

    I am a current employee of HBC. While I believe that tonight’s statement by the Elder Board is a huge first step in the right direction, it means nothing until we start seeing the follow through. I realize that many of the people who read this blog might not believe what I am about to say, but there are still many God-fearing, Christ-loving people on staff at HBC/HCA/WITW who are desperately praying that change will come. I have personally been praying for months now that all sins within the leadership to be made known so that they could be dealt with once and for all so the ministry could move forward and get back to fulfilling the mission of Matthew 28:19-20. Many of us believe the lawsuits were a mistake. Many of us do not “unconditionally support” the things that have happened in the past and the things that are happening now. I ask for your prayers for the Elder Board, for the staff who are hopeful that God can still use this situation for His Glory, for the former Elders, former staff and former congregants who have been hurt by the choices that were made. May repentance, reconciliation and restitution be sought and be made.

    1. Yet you sat quietly for months year? Not condemning you but you all have been in abusive workforce and all need serious intervention to deprogram your thinking that has been warped by the macdonald darkness! That’s honestly why most of you need to leave

      1. Right on!

      2. I did not sit quietly. I have voiced numerous concerns over the time of my employment. There have been times when I have received/believed the explanations that were given to me by my supervisor and trusted that the church leadership was making the “right” decisions because they had full knowledge of the situation and access to details that I did not have. There have been times when I have escalated concerns to both HR and the Elder Board. But looking back, there have also been times when I should have done more. And I know I will have to give an accounting to God for the times when I failed to do so. Until then, I am trying to use the spaces where I have the opportunity to influence others to bring about change. I have been doing that when I can and where I can and will continue to do so while I can. I am praying for God’s will to be done and trusting that everything that has happened up to this point and whatever comes next will ultimately be used for His Glory.

        1. Past dupped congregant January 20, 2019 — 11:22 am

          I hope and pray you are right. MacDonald & Rick (whatever his name is) have been fooling the Harvest congregation for years! I saw it back in 2012 and voted with my feet and have not regretted it. The shame of it is that people leave, can’t find another church home because they no longer trust! Thats where I am. I still love the Lord but am unwilling to tithe into a ministry that I can’t trust. Harvest was never transparent about finances so what do you expect? Shame on them all!

        2. Ann,
          I actually lean more towards what you are saying- that Harvest is more cult-like than church-like. I started noticing things and it took me 6 years to leave. It took me an additional 2-ish years after leaving to even see it as cult-like.
          It was super painful to be awakened to thought patterns and behaviors I had just accepted. I’m so glad I did. But no one could have forced me out before I was ready.

          Current Employee,
          I’m super sorry. You’re in a tough spot because you support yourself and maybe a family by working at a place that feels like (and maybe does) you’re supporting an eternal mission. Keep searching and asking questions. But please don’t stay for a second longer than your gut or God tells you too. Leaving is painful. And the reckoning that comes with it is as well. Don’t give yourself more grief to have to sort through if you don’t have to. ❤️

          Mandy Duncan Sove

        3. Current employee,

          Grace to you from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Thank you for being courageous. Do not listen to people like Ann. Don’t even respond to her or ones like her. These types should merely be glanced at. Just nod and smile and ignore them. She is not writing with reason so just go ahead and ignore her. Only respond to the people who are on here to listen. People like Ann are not here to listen. They are here to prattle.

        4. Shay if you want to keep testimonies private then I say you need to reflect on the following words of GOD:

          4. Mark 5:19 But Jesus said, “No, go home to your family, and tell them everything the Lord has done for you and how merciful he has been.”
          5. Psalm 22:22 I will praise you to all my brothers; I will stand up before the congregation and testify of the wonderful things you have done.
          6. Psalm 66:16 Come and listen, all you who fear God, and I will tell you what he did for me.
          7. John 15:26-27 “When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father— the Spirit of Truth, who comes from the Father—he will testify on my behalf. You will testify also, because you have been with me from the beginning.
          8. 1 John 1:2-3 This life was revealed to us, and we have seen it and testify about it. We declare to you this eternal life that was with the Father and was revealed to us. What we have seen and heard we declare to you so that you, too, can have fellowship with us. Now this fellowship of ours is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus, the Messiah
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          9. Psalm 35:28 My tongue will declare your righteousness and praise you all day long.
          10. Daniel 4:2 “I want you all to know about the miraculous signs and wonders the Most High God has performed for me.

        5. This is for ‘Current employee’ regarding testimonies: Have you ever heard………….

          ‘Your story is the key that can unlock someone else’s prison.’

          “Only God can turn mess into a message, a test into a testimony, a trial into a triumph,
          a victim into a victory.”

          How do you witness for Christ? telling someone you work at harvest won’t do it anymore!

          As a matter of fact I would keep that fact under the same bushel
          you want to put testimonies under. You know the one that God says don’t put your light under?

    2. You mention that you have been praying for “all sins within the leadership to be made known so they could be dealt with once and for all.” Actually, that disclosure has been going on for over 20 years. Dozens of former elders, pastors, staff members and devoted lay people have already provided the testimony that you seek. How many more do you need to hear from?

      1. Pasquale Presto – I see your verses and understand where you’re coming from, but our testimonies are not credentials. Christiana in her many long winded and devoid of any clear point ramblings has requested people share their testimonies as if it’s a credential.

        The verses you cite are for spreading the gospel, not answering to a petulant child who presumes herself an authority.

  17. This grieves me after 25 years associated with Harvest. The elders never should have agreed to give away governance to the XLT and the need to create enough public pressure that they reclaim their authority to lead. The XLT has no credibility to lead the church through a peacemaking process after this past week. If they want to continue to oversee the church, they will be watching it fall down. If they love the church as they claim, they need to be given severance so they can walk away. Bring in a credible interim lead pastor and have them work with elders to find a path forward. However, the time for a peacemaking process has passed. They blew their chance and credibility.

  18. Another day, another story… JMac is still in control and nothing has changed except for the pastor in Naples.

    What people are waiting for is when JMac, his family and elders have resigned. Willow Creek is going to survive. Harvest will survive too. The difference is Harvest is much more screwed up. Poor Leadship, Financial mismanagement and hurt people laying everywhere.

    1. Harvest may not survive. Check out Mars Hill outcome. Harvest may end up all independent churches which I think would be for the best.

      Harvest definitely won’t survive if the MacDonald’s remain there…the entire family needs to go. They have over played their hand and would never be trusted.

  19. What will be interesting to see now is whether MacDonald allowed this to happen. In other words, was this led by JMac or is this the elder board now taking steps apart from what JMac may (or may not) want?

  20. Still recovering January 19, 2019 — 7:50 pm

    On the surface everything sounds good but Dan George probably is out at Harvest and will soon be writing on TED saying that he is sorry and will be lauded for his courage. There is no courage unless you take a stand when the sin happens. Taking a stand afterwards is just a saying publicly that they are cowards and want all to know that they have no character.

    1. So… you expect grace and forgiveness but these men have missed their chance? I hope you continue to recover to place of forgiveness. For the glory of God.

  21. Wonder what the attendance was?

    1. The Least Of These January 19, 2019 — 10:53 pm

      I was wondering the same-extremely poor because people are mad or high because people want a chance at a town hall type experience.

      Why did they stop Saturday service at ELGIN? Why did they close the back bowl seating area? Why was attendance the lowest I’ve ever seen the last time I went? When you go from a full capacity service to a less then the seats filled service, something is wrong. Should be eye opening.

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